Comments on: The mythical European Umma http://chronikler.com Byte-sized muse and views Wed, 23 May 2012 02:35:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Chronikler http://chronikler.com/europe/european-union/european-umma/comment-page-1/#comment-1287 Chronikler Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:45:35 +0000 http://chronikler.com/?page_id=807#comment-1287 Further debate on this article: http://nouslife.blogspot.com/2009/08/mythical-european-umma.html http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2010/01/opinion-why-is-fear-of-coming-eurabia.html Further debate on this article:
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]]> By: KhaledDiab http://chronikler.com/europe/european-union/european-umma/comment-page-1/#comment-84 KhaledDiab Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:01:39 +0000 http://chronikler.com/?page_id=807#comment-84 Ahmed, I agree, there will be a lot of cultural convergence. In fact, I think there already has been: most second and third generation immigrants are heavily immersed in the local culture, but some consciously choose to stand out partly as a form of rebellion against their marginalisation, and partly because they feel their heritage is under threat... Read More. Zvi, good points. As a person who finds living in Europe a welcome release from religious dogma, I think growing dogmatism is scary, and Muslims are the most openly religious community in Europe. But many strands of conservatism, particularly the far right, are also grounded in religion, albeit more subtly. Let's hope cultural diversity with convergence towards mutual respect and understanding are the future, not disruption. Ahmed, I agree, there will be a lot of cultural convergence. In fact, I think there already has been: most second and third generation immigrants are heavily immersed in the local culture, but some consciously choose to stand out partly as a form of rebellion against their marginalisation, and partly because they feel their heritage is under threat… Read More.

Zvi, good points. As a person who finds living in Europe a welcome release from religious dogma, I think growing dogmatism is scary, and Muslims are the most openly religious community in Europe. But many strands of conservatism, particularly the far right, are also grounded in religion, albeit more subtly. Let’s hope cultural diversity with convergence towards mutual respect and understanding are the future, not disruption.

]]> By: Zvi Leve http://chronikler.com/europe/european-union/european-umma/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Zvi Leve Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:24:56 +0000 http://chronikler.com/?page_id=807#comment-83 Very interesting article. I think that Europeans are worried because their populations are aging (and it is the older generations who are most afraid), so they are less 'vibrant' relative to the newcomers. Also, the modern 'religion' of Europe has been secularism to a large extent, and Muslim immigrants are perceived as being too religious. I think that it is still too early to say whether 'multi-culturism' has a future, at least in terms of accepting different levels of religious belief. Things become complicated when people become dogmatic in their religious beliefs. Ironically, many Muslims come to Europe to escape such rigid social conventions back home. It will be interesting to see whether cultural convergence or cultural disruption will dominate our future. Via Facebook on 21/08/09 Very interesting article. I think that Europeans are worried because their populations are aging (and it is the older generations who are most afraid), so they are less ‘vibrant’ relative to the newcomers. Also, the modern ‘religion’ of Europe has been secularism to a large extent, and Muslim immigrants are perceived as being too religious. I think that it is still too early to say whether ‘multi-culturism’ has a future, at least in terms of accepting different levels of religious belief. Things become complicated when people become dogmatic in their religious beliefs. Ironically, many Muslims come to Europe to escape such rigid social conventions back home. It will be interesting to see whether cultural convergence or cultural disruption will dominate our future.

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]]> By: Ahmed Ibrahim http://chronikler.com/europe/european-union/european-umma/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Ahmed Ibrahim Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:24:06 +0000 http://chronikler.com/?page_id=807#comment-82 Great article Khaled! I think the fertility rate convergence will also be matched by cultural convergence, a.k.a. assimilation. Europeans seem to presuppose that those newborns are there only to consolidate the numbers of immigrants, not of mainstream Dutch or whatever society. Via Facebook on 21/08/09 Great article Khaled!
I think the fertility rate convergence will also be matched by cultural convergence, a.k.a. assimilation. Europeans seem to presuppose that those newborns are there only to consolidate the numbers of immigrants, not of mainstream Dutch or whatever society.

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